Wednesday, April 15, 2009

Raising Cain

I have vivid memories of the day. Jen, my college roommate and I, young, jubilant, carrying our backpacks, exited the Madrid subway system into bright sunlight. We had been traveling for weeks already - Ireland, France, Portugal - and we felt drunk on our success.

We exited with the sun on our faces, invincible. We'd met hundreds of student travelers, like us, and we were in love with them all, every one, the whole world. We forgot it was early, barely six in the morning, in a strange, huge city. We had no idea that we'd chosen the wrong stop. We were miles from our destination, a small youth hostel. We were not in a 'nice' neighborhood. It was hard to tell, with all the shops still barred and closed, the first commuters just appearing.

I imagine that as we studied the map of Madrid in our guide book, he studied us. He saw the nylon rope around my neck, the bulge under my thin t-shirt. I'd removed my heavy sweatshirt in the hot morning sun. He knew it was a money pouch, made for carrying travel documents and cash.

We started to walk, some what realizing our mistake, but unalarmed, completely off-guard. We'd met humor and help every single place we'd visited. We had rosy expectations of the world and those in it.

I imagine he followed and planned a little. Maybe got ahead of us and circled around, waiting for his moment.

When he approached us, I felt no fear. He was young, late teens or early twenties, he smiled, he held out a piece of paper and my mind registered only another traveler, lost like us. I remember he was attractive, no facial features stand out, just a dark flop of hair that bounced in his dark eyes.

I stopped for him, my body relaxed, my expression open, and he went for the pouch around my neck like a killer cat.

My images of our struggle are fragmented. I screamed. Jenny screamed. Over and over, high and desperate. He pulled with all his weight and strength in quick, painful jerks and I held the cords as well, more in an effort to relieve the pain than to try and protect my entire meager life savings. People started to run towards us and still the green nylon held. He gave up and ran away.

The rope burns remained on my neck and hands for weeks, but as physical attacks go, it was mild. He must not have had a knife, he never tried to cut the cords. He could easily have twisted the cords and strangled me, but he didn't. He never struck me, though I kicked the hell out of his shins.

I wonder sometimes, is that because he was at the beginning of his crime career and too unsure to be vicious? Or were there more morals involved? Did he truly just want the money and some costs were too high? Is he in a Spanish jail now or did he grow bored of robbing tourists and go to college? Maybe he was a pretty good kid goaded into trying to swipe a tourist's money by poorly chosen friends?

Who knows? I can't say what he learned that day. I did learn. I still think about how strong that boy was, how much power resided in his arms. He was my size, my age, my height, slight and wiry, like me, but he was considerably stronger than I was. To the point that a physical contest was laughable.

That was the first time I understood what it means to be physically less than a solid fifty percent of the world. I don't mean in a 'weaker sex' sense (insert girlish giggles). I mean biology. I mean his arms were built for a different purpose than mine. I could work out for ten years and not match that strength. I could learn techniques, I could learn surprise and weak points, but I could not achieve his power.

Matt would never be targeted in that way, not at twenty and certainly not now. Of course, he could be surprised. He could be robbed with a weapon. But just walking down the street, a quick target, some fast cash? No way. He is a powerful looking man and he lives in a slightly different world than I do.

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I've thought about this incident recently. Our sons will be powerful men some day - and not in twenty years either. Twelve? Maybe less. Garrett is right on track to match his father's six foot 200 lb frame.

He hauled off and whacked me on the side of the head a few days ago, as I carried him upstairs for a time-out. It hurt. He was beyond furious at me. I could see him struggle for a proper vent and then lose it completely. He repented immediately and crawled into his bed for his time-out sobbing he was sorry.

Garrett's swing at my head startled me into noticing how much he's changed and how I've failed, so far, to adjust. He's also been leaning on me when he wants me to stop what I'm doing. It's aggressive and unpleasant behavior and it makes me feel combative toward my not quite four-year-old. He is testing. He already senses his strength. I can barely lift him for hugs, carrying him to time-out takes my breath away and that is with his cooperation. My days of responding to unacceptable behavior by simply removing him from the room are numbered.

Discipline is reaching a crossroads because my babies are reaching one. They are almost four. Not toddlers, kids. Kids that are too big to be carried to time-out. Kids that are going to have to choose whether to spend five minutes in their room when I ask, or lose other things (MANY other things) until they comply.

I want more for my boys. (For my daughter too, but in our house, this is gender-based. She is rarely physically aggressive.) Beyond learning, as a mother, to change my parenting as they grow, I want them to understand that uncontrolled power is its own weakness. I want them to know how to be respectful and kind, open doors, carry bags, without intellectual condescension. I want to raise kind, gentle boys.

I stressed until I remembered that they live with a powerful man who is gentle. They see him focus his strength on building projects, cycling and work-outs. The live with a man who, in the nineteen years I have known him, has never physically forced someone to do anything. They live with a man who is courteous without being (usually - leaving aside when I hit the garage and now the driveway gate) condescending.

Is it too much to hope that they will pick this up, like a language, effortlessly?

44 comments:

imbeingheldhostage said...

Wow, fantastic post. It's given me so much to think about and triggered many memories as well. I love hearing that you have someone gentle to be an example for boys gaining their strength.

K said...

Thanks for the post.

I travel behind you a few years, but I am also raising a little man. I hope he grows to be like my husband, gentle.

Thank goodness I have him to help with the parenting process.

MommyTime said...

*phew* This is a hard one on so many levels.

On the purely physical, I can completely relate. At 99th percentiles for height and 95th for weight, my children, too, are difficult simply to remove to time out. For sheer physicality, if my son doesn't want to go where I want him to be, hefting his 49 pounds there is already impossible. With my daughter, the issue is less the weight than the protest: screaming, crying, pitching a fit, she will NOT stay where she is put. I don't know how to parent this gently sometimes. And that scares me.

The issue of strength and violence is something else again. And in our house, it is gendered too. She, for all her greater stubbornness, louder shrieks, and higher level of willfulness, does not hit things when she is frustrated. He, on the other hand, went through a phase that actually worried me. Frustration would manifest in quick, hot, ferocious anger and a lashing out that included sharp kicks at inanimate objects and bear-paw-like swipes at me. I could tell he KNEW what he was doing was wrong in the sense that even in his fury, he would only hit me in stealthy ways (getting behind me to swat at me where I couldn't see him, or smacking repeatedly at my shin or some other relatively sturdy and "benign" place). It took a lot of talking, once he was calmed down, to work through that -- but I do think that one thing that helped was the emphasis on giving him language to express himself. The feelings of 4 year olds are much more complex than those of younger children, sometimes, and it takes time for them to learn how to say what those are. I think you are totally right that a father's model can make a huge difference (especially if, as my kids do too, they have a large father).

Thanks for giving me something to chew on today. (And, for reminding me that I am not the only violence-averse mother who has to deal with manifestations of masculinity in her son.)

MommyTime said...

Hahahaha. Sorry for writing a book in response. :)

Susie said...

Great thoughts as always. We are also at that crossroads and it would be so easy to move through it without enough forethought to choose the right path. I wonder too if one great example is enough to balance the hundreds of bad my son will encounter.

April said...

I think it's wonderful to have such a good role-model, but I also think it requires constant reinforcement and example. Point out when Daddy does something 'right' make everything a lesson.

They were actually talking about this on the Duggars last night - that they constantly point out to their children how something could have been handled, how it WAS handled, and whether it was dealt with well or could have been done better... they talked about how now they see the kids going through this evaluation amongst themselves. i thought it was poignant. :-)

Carolyn...Online said...

Since your kids probably won't be in need of adult supervision or role models... or food and shelter I think they'll be ok. Plus you're already worrying about it so you have loads of time to avert disaster.

*Akilah Sakai* said...

My son was always at high percentiles for height and weight. He's six now and doesn't look it, but he's very heavy. I can't lift him and snuggle like before.

He's a moody little guy. Stomps off to his room and shuts the door to mess up his blankets in private. I don't remember my daughter being so moody, but she was alone till he showed up. Now, it's a toy war. She shrieks at the top of her lungs and sometimes they pop one another.

Neither has ever hit me as a toddler and now, at six and nine, they are in the dirty look stages.

I must say, so far, despite the teary moods when I say "no" or "wait," he is pretty gentle otherwise. He only received one note home last year in Pre-K about hitting another boy who interrupted his reading. It was his first school-like setting since I stayed home with him and I was happy he adjusted to sharing with loads more kids so well.

Other than sibling rivalry, both are sweet. If I yell at either, the other comforts them! My son, being the youngest, used to cry if I yelled at his sister.

Rachel said...

I don't think that's too much to hope for. Physical aggression in my children is something I'll never understand. On one level, I think it must be 'normal' for siblings to hit or kick eachother, but it makes me so sad. I wish I knew exactly what to do about it. I think you must be doing a great job.

Anonymous said...

I'm reading a fabulous book about such mentioned behaviors, attitudes and courteousness. It's changed my world...and I think I've got a pretty good kid. She's almost 9, and I wish I'd had this insight when she was 4-ish. Take it for what it's worth and relish in the change. The biggest change in our house...was me (and I always considered myself a pretty good mommy). BOOK TITLE: Have a new kid by Friday -by Dr. Kevin Leman. BRILLIANT!

Mom24 said...

I don't think it is too much to hope. My oldest has never been physically aggressive to anyone (outside of a water polo match), that I know of. My 8 year old hasn't either. It just wouldn't occur to them. My 6 year old (daughter) used to be known to hit her big brother occasionally and he would always come tell, he would never just hit her back. I think a huge part is nature, a part is nurture. I also think you'll have a huge influence on it just being aware of it. It will guide how you raise him, knowing your desire to teach him gentleness.

for a different kind of girl said...

This is a fantastic, very thoughtful (and thought provoking) post. I have a son in sixth grade and one in first. When I go to my oldest's middle school at the end of the day when I sporadically pick him up from class, I watch packs of boys outside, exerting their energy and their strength, etc. There is often much wrestling and hitting going on and, I'll confess, it sometimes causes me pause. I know there is so much going on in their minds and bodies at this age, but it worries me to think that this type of behavior can also be an influence. All that said, I watch my oldet son and see that, while he is 'all boy,' he's a gentle spirit. He's always known that that he and his brother aren't allowed to play rough with the other, and the friends they surround themselves in our neighborhood are much the same way. Do I want them to be able to defend themselves if the need ever arises? Totally. But I don't want them to ever be the person who provokes another person to defend themselves from. I think there is a lot to the whole environment they grow up in, too, as you mention. A calm male influence definitely is a huge factor, and I'm lucky to have one of those as the father to my sons, too.

Annje said...

Beautiful post. This was one of my anxieties about having a boy. I read once in a book about having a son that there is something beautiful in the challenge of raising a boy as sensitive as he is strong--and I think that sums up how I feel about the mission. I know kids will have their own personalities... But I too realized that having a gentle, loving man as father and role-model is probably the best predictor of future behavior. I am sure your son is just at that age/stage of not quite knowing what to do with their emotions and how to calm down or react appropriately (my 3.5 daughter is there too), but my guess is that your son will be like his father. I think there is a book called "raising cain" that deals with raising a boy... have you read it? I haven't, but now I want to.

Manic Mommy said...

Of all the things I worry about for my boys, this one is near the bottom of the list. They have never seen their father raise his hand in anger. I can't really remember HRH ever hitting me. Gremlin does it like Garrett; when he is at a loss at how to express anger. We help him and punish him and remind him. I assume it will go away.

I work more on manners, which do include holding doors but also focus on individual skills.

In this regard, I am almost thankful not to have a girl. There is a certain 'victimness' that I hate that remains with us for life. Grow your girl(s) strong!

anymommy said...

Great comments. I don't think my boys are particularly aggressive kids, but I do see them lash out in frustrations at home. Interestingly, almost never with other children - I can't think of more than a slight push. They can be rough with each other -all of my kids- and that bothers me and is a whole different post.

I know some kids that have never struck at mom in anger and others that do it regularly, I think they are all 'normal' I just struggle to deal with it 'gently' in my house - as MommyTime mentioned. And yes, sometimes my internal reaction bothers me too!

I do want to raise a strong girl. I think my husband's example will be wonderful for her as well, in terms of acceptable behavior for her and TOWARDS her as she matures.

Raising Cain is a book - I haven't read it but stole the title. I'm going to check out Have a New Kid by Friday. I love Love & Logics ideas on just shutting down happy things (movie, swimming, etc.) until the time out is served, but I want a few more tools.

Texan Mama @ Who Put Me In Charge said...

You're right - you are at a crossroads. You probably feel like you've been at this mothering thing, and "teaching by example" thing, that they should be showing results by now. But let me tell you, from experience, they are learning what you teach them but they are still too young to let the knowledge come before the instinct. They are still young enough that they let their emotions rule and let their brains follow behind.

But don't lose heart. The lessons are there, they know them, they just aren't ready to show you yet.

And yes, leading by example is enough. But sometimes we have to remind them of the example. Like, not only being gentle but also saying, "See Daddy being gentle? This is how we treat other people." and when we're angry, "Do you hear me using my words and not my hands to fix this problem? This is how we deal with arguments. Are you listening?" They see it but sometimes a gentle reminder helps too.

You go, Mom.

Roshni Mitra Chintalapati said...

Not at all.. to answer your question. My son is 5 now. He has muscles already! I see them on his legs and arms and I see them in his tummy when he clenches it when he's laughing. He's still not as strong as I am, but if he catches me unaware, he could hurt me pretty bad. And, yes, definitely, I couldn't carry him against his will!

So, what do I do now? We've changed our tactics. We believe (and he has proved it to us) that he is capable of understanding if we talk to him about what is right and wrong... the fact, that sometimes we have to do things even if it is not comfortable.
Your sons will definitely get it specially with examples that you two are setting for them!

For Myself said...

I love your writing and they way you think about this stuff. I know this sounds entirely too passive and simple, but I just think hugging them, tucking them in, modeling gentleness as much as we can, is the violence antidote. At least most of the time.

Jill said...

You know, it's not just boys who are aggressive. I have a 4 year old daughter who lashes out whenever she doesn't get her way.... thankfully not at school, but ALWAYS at home.

She has been known to throw a punch or several, kick, hit, spit - and not just at me - at her sister too. Rarely does she go for daddy - though he's been known to receive a blow to the nether regions once before.

And she KNOWS she's being unrealistic, out of control, and inappropriate - for which she cries and apologizes several minutes later... But it still happens a few days later.

Kirsten said...

Interesting post. My son is so small for his age. Neither my husband or I are very tall. My almost four year old little boy is smaller than even most of the girls in his preschool class. I worry about the exact opposite. I worry he will be bullied by the bigger boys. I certainly don't want to teach him to be aggressive in any way, but I struggle to give him the tools to stand up for himself with the more powerful kids. *sigh*

Sandi said...

You are a beautiful writer. I love your blog and your stories. I relate to so much!

iMommy said...

I've started to realize that as my kids get older, it's going to be harder to discipline and control them. And it's got me thinking the same thing - how the heck do I gently get them to do what they need to do?

Grounded, sure. No tv? Ok. No dessert? Sure. Removing privileges is an option, but I'm like you --- I want an additional tool. I think that's why so many parents resort to long, intense lectures, screaming, etc... it's tough to figure out what else we can do to gently guide our children and teach them what's right, rather than simply teaching them that they need to obey our will "just because" we said so.

I'll be back to read all these comments!

Gayle said...

I find as my boys get older so much is genetic. One son is so much like his bio-dad (not in a good way) although he is being raised by my husband who is very quiet and gentle. Then again, it just could be that we can't undo the first eight years of influence. My soon-to-be three year old gives me a run for my money physically. I really hate that whole wrestling process. Can't we all just get along?! :) If you are gentle and your husband is gentle, I am sure your boys will lean towards that. (I'm a bit wild so my poor kids didn't have a chance! :)

Sandy said...

I didn't read the other comments, so I'm sorry if this is a repeat. I am raising two boys and we have goals much like yours. One of my sons can be very physical and his power out-matched mine early on. I could not leave it to chance and hope that he would pick up on things naturally. I had to ask my husband to intervene, and if he wasn't around, then my older son would step in. This was always to physically remove my younger one from the situation when I wasn't physically strong enough to do it. My younger son had to learn that women have to be treated gently (and we had to define that,lol). I am happy to say that with consistency, he has learned to be a gentleman. He's still all boy, I wouldn't want him not to be, but he has learned that his strength is for the protection of others, not to be used just to get his own way. It can be learned, but I firmly believe that it has to be taught on purpose. Society will certainly tell them to use their strength to their advantage, regardless of how it affects others. It's also important to give them an acceptable outlet for all that male strength. For us it was very important that we did not let even one incident of aggression go without a consequence. He had to know that it was always, always unacceptable. We have two girls and we had to think about their safety as well. Now, at age ten, he is a great brother and I can't remember the last time he hit anyone or lost his temper. The training pays off, but you can't skip it.

EatPlayLove said...

I truly believe many of us are raising a different generation of kids. Luckily my girls will be able to fix the broken toilet while your son cooks dinner. We can all hope!

Hit 40 said...

Great post that attack will probably haunt you forever. How horrible! I have never been a victim of a crime. But, I also worry about my boys. Both will be very big like my father - 6ft 4in. I am 5 ft 10 in. And, men are like you said stronger. I put a lot of time into their temper when they were young. It's work. I think I have their behavior about in check. The youngest still puts a hole in the wall sometimes, but does not try to do it to someone else.

Keely said...

I truly hope so. Obviously, both parents provide a role model for children of both genders, but it's a little startling how much they identify with the parent of their own gender, once they realize that similarity exists. I read a study recently that indicated how important it was for a boy child to see his father reading, for example. Their reading skills were light years beyond those of boys who only witnessed Mama reading.

I can only hope that my son grows up exactly like his father, who is 6'3" and 200+. In the 9 years I've known him, I've never once even heard him raise his voice.

Minivan Mom said...

Love this post. Nodded right along with the last part.

I grew up in an abusive, unstable home. Despite the statistics, I married a man who doesn't even yell, much less ever raise his hand in anger to anyone. I am very, very conscious of what my children see, experience and LIVE in our home, not only because I know what it's like to live in an environment with the fight or flight instince (it's exhausting, to say the least) but because I want my sons and daughter to go out into the world as adults with the same attitude towards physical intimidation and violence.

My oldest (son) and youngest (daughter) are non-physical. Not aggressive at all. My middle guy...*sigh*. He struggles with it. I SEE him struggling with it. He knows what is expected and what is right, but he's fighting a pretty strong gene pool.

I'm hoping for nurture over nature on this one.

Christy said...

Izzy is so stubborn. He hits when he is angry. Sometimes he even bites. I am often shocked by his aggressive behavior.

But he is learning. I think we all worry about our little guys.

Pamela said...

They'll pick it up. But they also need to try out the waters to learn why they need to be like Daddy. Don't fret, and yet don't give in. They'll be pillars of men.

K.Line said...

What a violating experience that must have been - but instructive!

My daughter was pretty violent when angry till, well, fairly recently. I could tell you stories about her at the age of 6 hitting and biting when I tried to get her to timeout. (That's my kid for you, angelic 85% of the time and completely psycho irrational the rest of it.) Of course, I have struggled with this (literally and figuratively) - concerned she might be mentally ill (or that I might snap and harm her given the tremendous anger and hurt caused by her outrageous behaviour).

During the worst of it, my best friend, a pediatrician (and my daughter's godmother), assured me no, M has an extremely low frustration threshold and that it's developing slowly by comparison with the rest of her faculties.

It was the first time I recognized that people really do develop at their own paces. That I too struggle with a low frustration threshold (even if my rational mind and maturity help me to keep it in check) and that my kid might not be "advanced" in every way.

Food for thought and learning. But disturbing all around. I really prefer the 85 per cent of happy time.

Michelle said...

You can hope for effortlessly, but I wouldn't put all my eggs in that basket. I would actively involve Matt and point it out to them... have him work with them. And keep working on those positive alternatives. Yep, we're in the midst of modeling here. Every day. Today it was about how you can't lay in the middle of a ball field pouting because someone else beat you to the ball. Tomorrow, who knows!

Anonymous said...

Who is this nice curteous man that you are refering to and does matt know about him?

grantinthegarage

Casey said...

Wow, what a good topic. I know that your boys will grow up knowing how to be gently but I also get the fear that they'll be physically stronger than you soon. Graham kicked me so hard the other day mid-tantrum that it really hurt.

I've always been naive when it comes to the possibility of being harmed. I grew up a tomboy who could hold my own and that mindset has stuck with me. It's only after having kids that I realized how vulnerable I was and that I had to take precautions to be safe for myself and their protection.

Jeanne said...

Killer post -- I'm forwarding this one to my daughter, who's son is only 2, but will reach this point all too soon.

MBB Founder and Editor Denene Millner said...

Your boys WILL learn how to be like their dad organically--he's the best role model they'll ever have. Still, you're going to TEACH them, too. They're lucky little boys, though, to have parents like you two.

And you're absolutely right about that physical strength difference between men and women... it scares me. It makes me feel, at times, vulnerable. It wasn't until we had little girls that my husband started to understand this. I thank God he's got my back.

As usual, stunning post.

Issas Crazy World said...

I think it is something they learn. How to respect women, how to be good men....they learn it from watching their fathers, uncles and grandfathers. At four hitting is well, a reflex almost. But the fact that he was instantly sorry and sad that he'd hit you, you have nothing to worry about.

anymommy said...

@Texas Mama - Fabulous suggestions - thank you.

@For Myself - I agree and it's been my main tactic, but (as I've admitted probably too many times, you all probably worry about me) certain behaviors make ME really angry. I struggle with my temper, so I know I need some tools to 'go to' to avoid parenting by screaming or ending up in a wrestling/dragging match with my son about whether he's going to his room. (Which he could totally win in two years.)

Jill - You are absolutely right. We don't struggle with this with our daughter - (although we do with manipulation and sneakiness), but an out of control, physical girl is just as much of a problem as a boy; and as a parent, I still need go to responses so I don't snap over into temper.

Kirsten - Funny, but Garrett is very passive and nonaggressive with other kids, so we've dealt with this a little too. I absolutely love his preschool teacher's technique, we use it at home. It's a LOUD and assertive NO THANK YOU THAT HURTS ME. Loud so that every looks at the bully, including the teacher. Of course, that's a young child's response, but it's a start.

Sandy - You are right, it's a good reminder from your perspective. I need to stay active in this.

@Hit40 - I can accept a good punch to the wall occasionally, when they get older, if that's the safe outlet!

@Keely - I've also read that a father's example for his daughters is the biggest indicator of how they will let future boyfriends (and lovers, gulp) treat them. Our example is sooo important (ack!).

@minivan mom - It's an amazing thing to break the cycle.

Alexicographer said...

Great post. I find it as interesting for what it doesn't explicitly say/ask as for what it does.

When is it OK for one person physically to make (force) another person to do something they don't want to do? Why is it OK for you to carry Garrett to his room for timeout but not OK for him to hit you? Would it not be OK to carry him (assuming you can do so) were he "uncooperative" (you characterize him as "cooperative" about being carried there)? Does it matter if the physicality of it hurts? What if it hurts but the hurt isn't a physical one? I'm not trying to be difficult (or rude), these are serious questions.

I grew up and am raising my son in the sort of context where no one ever spanks, where we all use time outs, etc. etc., and I know the reasons why we don't spank. We don't want to teach our children that they should do things because we can physically force them to do so, that it is OK to hurt someone to make them do something, that it is OK for people in positions of authority to hurt those over whom they have authority. I know and believe all these things and yet I was only a few months into motherhood that I realized I was "forcing" my son to allow me to change his diaper. It was very clear. Not that I was hitting him, of course I wasn't. But he was resoundingly emphatic about the fact that he did not want to be lying there on the changing table with me removing his clothes and removing his nice warm (wet) diaper and putting on a cold (dry) one.

Today, routinely, if he is too slow (for me) in moving his two-year old body toward my car when we need to leave in the morning, I scoop him up and into his carseat he goes. Usually we manage to keep this fun, playful ... even if not strictly consensual. But there are plenty of times when I "hurt" him (his perception) by denying him access to something he wants, and not because it is an immediate threat to his physical well-being either. Just this morning I told him he couldn't play with his father's hairbrush and took it out of his hand ... gently. prying. finger. by. finger. off. the. handle. Wildly upsetting (for him).

I am dealing with this issue at the other end of life, as well, with my father (far too large for me physically to force him to do anything, weakened form notwithstanding, but also very dependent on others to get him what he wants and needs -- and those often aren't the same things) and his dementia.

I think the things we like to imagine to be clear lines are much, much blurrier than we often acknowledge.

Also, I have never figured out the exact implications of this (though I need to, on my son's behalf), but my gentle, then-unworldly 18-year old brother was lucky to be left alive and with no permanent injuries when, attending university and living in an urban setting for the first time in his life, he was walking home one evening and saw a man beating up a woman in an otherwise empty alley. He alerted said man to his presence (after all, we are not the sort of people who sneak up on folks) and then cold-cocked him, but guess what? A teenage suburbanite of either sex is no match for a street-wise adult man. Perhaps in this era of cell phones, etc., there are other, better solutions, but it still is not obvious to me what my brother should have done, though clearly what he did do was not in the best interest of his personal safety. How do I teach my son about that?

Luanne said...

Awesome expectations you have for your young men. I hope for the smae thing for my two boys. They are learnign their strength too and often test it on their sisters. Not always good. You are such a good mom! And lucky for you you have a gentle father to show them the way too :)

Andrea's Sweet Life said...

That is very, very interesting. My girls occasionally haul of and whack me or each other, and since they are both under 45 pounds, it's still easy for me to remove them and put them where I want.

Typically, afterward, I have a talk with them about the way we treat people, and I often use my husband (who also has quite a commanding physical presence) as an example. After saying, "You. don't. hit.", I ask them, "Does mommy hit daddy to get HER way?" and "Does daddy hit mommy to get HIS way?". And I ask them how they would feel if they saw one of us hitting the other, (they answer) and then I say, "That's how I feel, when I see you hit."

It makes it very personal for them, and helps them to understand why I'm so adamantly against it.

Not to say Blythe, as she enters the terrible two's, doesn't easily forget when she's in the middle of a meltdown!

Mommy Mo said...

They might not automatically pick it up, but trust me, they are watching their daddy and will imitate him behaviors, his words. It wouldn't hurt for Matt to spend Daddy/son time with them, especially as they get older, and to have those kinds of talks.

You have such a way with words- LOVE YOU.

anymommy said...

@kline - That's actually one of my biggest struggles, that I have a temper and I'm so like my son. I see myself in them 100%. It is hard to accept that your kids aren't 100% perfect in every way. Mine aren't.

@Denene - It's so true that Dads get a new perspective when they have daughters.

@Alex - Thanks, I loved your thoughts. This summed it up for me "I think the things we like to imagine to be clear lines are much, much blurrier than we often acknowledge." I know that my children need enforced limits and so, in one way or another, I will continue to have to 'force' them to do things. I want to enforce limits with calm and still reinforce kindness. I think it's possible, but I forget a lot.

@Andrea - I think those kinds of conversations are so reinforcing. Thanks for reminding me!

@MommyMo - He's not a talker, but I do think he leads by example.

Zip n Tizzy said...

You struck a chord here.
I have memories like that of young travels. I was lucky not to be physically attacked but experienced the vulnerability of being a young traveler and perceived as being wealthy.
Before you even segued, you had me thinking about the physical differences between men and women. I'm a broad shouldered, tall, strong woman, and I've been surprised at how easily I could be overpowered, and I frequently am amazed by how strong my boys are already. I think about that a lot – I really liked this post.