Wednesday, March 18, 2009

She Gets It! (Part III)

I wrote a book-like comment in response to all of your challenging, interesting, respectful and kind comments on the situation at Spanish school, in case you want to read it. I read all of those comments many, many times. I learned a lot from these experiences and from your thoughts.

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A week later, I visit the preschool at the coop we currently attend (in the toddler class) with several other parents. I've been looking at other options and avoiding this visitation. I guiltily admit that I am not hopeful. I don't know the preschool teacher well, but something about her bubbly, stereotypical preschool teacher personality triggers a negative response in me. The program is fine. I love our coop. I love that I'd be there one day a week and drop off one day.

Towards the end of our observation, Teacher M asks if we have any questions. There are few.

"I have some questions," I tell her, "but they are very specific to my daughter, maybe I could call you or we could chat another time."
"Oh, I think now is fine," she gushes in her over-the-top-I-love-little-people voice. The other parents drift away and we are left alone in the hall.
"Well, I think you know Saige."
"Oh, yes, she's just gorgeous."

Sigh.

"I think so. Um, I have some concerns. She has some small behaviors related to being institutionalized for her first year and to some lingering attachment and bonding issues. They can really be exaggerated at home if things are off in an outside environment. It's really hard to explain, you'll think I'm crazy."

Stop, Stacey, don't defend, you know your daughter, just the facts. (Sigh.)

"It's subtle. It's difficult to describe." She waits patiently, without trying to provide words. "One thing I'm concerned about is how you handle inappropriate time with you or inappropriate affection. For instance, how would you handle it if Saige always sat in your lap, whenever you sat down."
"Would that bother you?" she asks.
"Yes and no. She needs to be treated exactly like the other children, over-exaggeratedly so, sometimes. If a child sits in your lap during circle time every day, I have absolutely no problem with her getting a turn. But, if they get to pick, or ask, and it ended up being Saige every day, because, I can tell you, it would end up being Saige every single day, I would be concerned. I know it's subtle, but here's another example. If you allowed it, she would follow you around and be your special helper all the time. She would end up never doing the activity the other kids were doing, but instead, helping you. They all might be painting and she would be passing out the paint with you. That would be a red flag for me. But, if each child in the class got a day to wear a special hat and be your helper, I would not have a problem with her having her turn."

I carry on, feeling crazy. "I know it sounds subtle, but it is really, really important. If this were going on all the time, if she were looking to you for special attention and comfort, and you were, um, feeling the need or the desire to favor her in this way, I would want to know. I would change things. I might keep her home for a week, doing projects with me, or only bring her to school on my work day."

"Sure," she smiles, her voice is still shockingly perky, but her eyes are direct and intense, "that kind of special treatment and affection needs to come only from you."

I almost burst into tears. I am devastated by her understanding.

"That's it exactly." Okay, not all of it, carry on, momma. "Well that and that she really shouldn't be treated differently from the other children because she looks different, or has a different background."

I am so shocked that I babble on, almost unintelligible. "It's so difficult at times, if someone in authority doesn't understand. I can tell because often the person will just gush and gush about Saige, how helpful she is, how cooperative, how sweet, 'their little helper' and all I can think is how easily manipulated they are by a three-year-old child."

"Sure, I can see that. I think there is a natural inclination to compensate. People think, poor little thing, an orphanage, adopted, but that's not what she needs, is it?"

I might marry this woman. Did I say her voice was high and perky, because it's musical. Like a classic opera.

"No, it really isn't," I say, "and then, poor little Garrett."

"Oh my gosh yes," she breaks in, "I can only imagine how important it is for them to get equal attention. He probably acts out."

Am I dreaming this conversation?

"Not equal," I whisper, near tears, "just appropriate. Just praise when due. Just, nothing different from any other children. They both act out when things are off, they are very sensitive to this."

"Of course they are. It's not a problem. We'll keep communication open, but I can handle this, I completely understand your concerns."

I want to kiss her on her mouth, squeaky, kid-friendly voice and all. "Thank you," I manage.

Thank you, universe, for the occasional person that just gets it.

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(I do see the irony of the ease of this conversation and my failure to give SB this chance or similar information. In my defense, I have had similar conversations that did not go nearly this well. But, I promise, I will assume that SB would have reacted exactly like this and that the failure was mine. End AnyPreschool drama. I swear.)

59 comments:

Elle said...

oh my gosh - somehow I missed this post
yeah yeah yeah yeah
I love this teacher too =
I have meet many natural wonderful teachers that do get it, she gets it
hooray!!!!!

p.s. the other woman did not get it ! It wasn't you !

MommyTime said...

*I* practically want to marry this woman on your behalf! Or whatever. That actually makes no sense. But you know what I mean: I am so delighted for you that you are looking forward to a teacher who really really understands what your children need and will work with you to ensure they get that. That is so important when they are so young.

So this is me celebrating with you! Hurray!

Also? You are an astonishingly great mother. Seriously.

Misty said...

**high five**
**manly chest bumps**
**ugga ugga grunts**
**woofwoofwoofwoofwoof as the fist pounds the air**
SOMEBODY FREAKING GETS IT!!

I'm SO glad you had this conversation and I'm even more glad that the bubbly little thing (I bet she's cute as a button too, huh?) actually has a brain and common sense. So much so that not only did she get it, she knew what you meant and filled in the blanks for you! The deep sigh, the ultimate peace and the total relaxation that followed that conversation probably felt like the after effects of a mental orgasm!

I wasn't sure what to expect with Part III. I hoped for this ending, so to speak. But I didn't think it would be just that simple. Some people truly do get it. Thank God you finally found one that's a teacher and not just a blog reader ;o)

To hell with no caffeine...go grab you a Starbucks, girl! You deserve it!

Beth said...

I love when first impressions are wrong. And I love when adults *get* what to do with kids. For some, it is just instinct.

Glad you found someone who understands.

Joe @ IrrationalDad said...

This is awesome! Hopefully big changes are in store. *fingers crossed*

Issas Crazy World said...

Good for you for speaking up and getting it out in the open. Now when issues come up, at least you know she gets it. Yea you.

Can they move into that class now? ;)

Michelle said...

I just let out a huge sigh of relief. I'm so glad you found someone who understands. I'm honestly shocked at how clueless the other teachers were. It bothers me on a very deep level since I am a teacher as well.

cd0103 said...

OMG- I don't even have kids and this makes me cry. What an incredible educator.

Ann's Rants said...

You are incredible. You.

Kmommy said...

Oh that sounds awesome!! We have very similar issues with our 11 year old daughter. While she's not a 3 year old anymore... her teachers always gush and go on about how helpful and wonderful she is... and she does the same thing - when she's at my sisters/moms/sister-in-laws house (and even at school), she's their little helper and they totally encourage and think that its ok... but she is absolutely manipulative. Its all about attention and manipulation and getting special treatment, but no one will ever understand. I've given up on that. And the worst thing is that I'm sure she gives her teachers the impression that we don't treat her well, when its not the case at all. I'm so glad you found someone who completely understands the situation!! And I'm sure that she will be a big help in helping Saige to get over this issue.
The unfortunate thing with our daughter was that she'd been doing that her whole life with the babysitters and foster families she'd been left with... by the time we adopted her she was 6 and pretty set in those ways. I've tried to explain to my sister and sister in law these things, but they are like your 1st pre-school teacher, they think I'm the crazy one ;) They just can't see the manipulation.

Marinka said...

I'm so glad that she was able to hear what you were saying and got it. A wonderful teacher is a true blessing.

*Akilah Sakai* said...

Oh this is great! A happy ending I was hoping for, for you and yours. Good for you for speaking up and thankfully things went well and she understood.

p.huong said...

WOOO! HOOO!

Anonymous said...

Yeah for you and the kids! I'm so glad your worries are eased and you were able to find a teacher who "gets it."
Sara J

jen said...

so glad to read that THAT was past and THIS is what is the now.
(see there are some good ones out there ... squeaky voice and all) ...

Texan Mama @ Who Put Me In Charge said...

I am so glad you found someone on the same wavelength as you. Someone who respects your role as parent.

now, I will only say this once and you can feel free to ignore me if you like: do consider talking to SB later. Tell her why you removed S and G from her class. Otherwise she may treat other "unique" children in a biased way in the future. She can only become a better teacher if her mistakes are pointed out to her, giving her the opportunity to correct them. It's just an idea and you need to do what's best for YOU, not her, but it may help some other child down the line. Just a thought.

Me? I'm all about the confrontation. I woulda been all up in her business weeks ago. But that's me. :-)

Mags said...

I read Parts I, II and III tonight. WOW!!!

You are one strong Mama...you know what your children need. I'm happy you found a teacher who understands what your children (and you) need.

Nissa said...

Great news...it's funny how sometimes those who we least expect to be the person we need turn out to be the person we've been waiting for!

Allison D said...

Wow, you handled this better than I would have. You would think the other teacher would realize she is enabling. Glad this woman sees that kids pick up on subtleties more than most adults!

Heather said...

Validation is important. For sure. You'd think by the time we are mothers of 2 or 3 or 4 we wouldn't need it as much, but we still do, don't we?

Michelle said...

Oh Stacey. You made me cry again. I am so glad that you found a good home with them and with someone who understands. Now if you could just have that chat with my parents. I'm about ready to quit work so that they don't spend so much time with them and I can get things back on an even keel again (they're great, they help, they love the wee ones, but they just don't *get* some things). Happy days for you!

Solo said...

Oh i love this one..;D
Great post friend.Have a nice day.

Robin said...

I'm so glad to hear that you've found a new framework that will work a lot better for your family - for ALL of your family.

((hug))

Gayle said...

I haven't read this post yet...I'm commenting on the previous post. You mentioned that I "might be a little naive about how race factors into people's treatment - positive or negative - of children". I smiled.

I grew up in a village of 1100 people. From 12-60 miles there were 7 native villages making a complete circle around my hometown of predominately white people. I was in 4th grade before I saw my first black person. My step-children are Eskimo. I have nieces that are Native, Eskimo and Black. I am the parent of a blue-eyed blond hair boy (whose friends are almost all black or native) who is expected to live up to those pretty-boy perfect standards and absolutely cannot.

I am far from being naive about how race factors into treatment of children...or any other areas of life. Simply I chose to not be part of the problem. Racism exists because people refuse to let it die. (Solely my opinion people...don't jump me for it). If we quite acknowledging the minority of racists...and yes, they are fewer racists than the rest of us...it would eventually die. But people love to get on the discrimination bandwagon and keep the issue hot. We do not see color in our home. My son's best friends are black, but I don't see black...I see the child.

Geez, I think it's late and I'm not sure what point I originally started to make...but I just wanted you to know I get the whole race deal....I just chose not to be part of the problem.

Incidently, what race is the teacher? Maybe that is playing into her treatment of your daughter. I think race is an over-sensitive issue....meaning people will do/say things to set you off. You can get upset and add fuel to the fire...or you can not acknowledge it and put the fire out.

By the way...I still love you and would never want to piss you off! :) I absolutely love these conversations. It beats the hell out of playing Legos! :)

Gayle said...

I am so completely happy that you have a preschool teacher you are comfortable with. With the new baby on the way the last thing you need is more stress.

I'm glad you didn't kiss her. I think she may have felt weird about that.

Race aside, do you think you would be reacting differently if Saige were your biological daughter? And maybe your son was adopted? Just curious. Having spent five years raising step-children (which are a lot like adopted children except they can be taken away...a whole different story I don't want to talk about right now). Anyhow, most of the time I over-compensated and treated the SC better than my own children. Funny how that works.

Anyhow, yea for the kiddos. I bet they'll have a great time with squeaky girl. :)

K said...

Yay! I'm so glad you found a preschool that fits.

My son is going next year. I looked at so many school and one just fit.

I really hope it works out.

Anonymous said...

I never dreamed this would be the ending! yay. And just so you know, KNOW! that other woman would NEVER have "gotten it". She just didn't have it in her. This girl seems deep and wise and insightful - like you are. Trust yourself! You are amazing.
Anne

Amber said...

Thats great that you finally found someone who instead of telling you about YOUR child, listens to what you have to say because you know best.

butwhymommy said...

I'm glad you had this conversation and that she was able to hear and understand you. It will be nice for you to have an ally in the classroom.

Erin said...

She sounds so exactly like what Saige and Garrett need. Someone who gets it. Someone who will communicate with you openly and honestly, and listen to your concerns and react appropriately. I'm so glad for all of you.

Carolyn...Online said...

I got a teacher this year who "got" my child. Finally. In third grade. I had to wait a long time. I did in fact kiss her on the mouth. Ok, not really. But I understand what you're saying and it's hard to understate what a relief that is.

Pamela said...

What a relief for you. And what spectacular listening that teacher does! I am breathing a sigh for you.

Sandra & Steve said...

Part III is great on so many levels, happy you found the right fit for your children, impressed by how you stated your needs for them to the teacher, thrilled there are people out there who get it and I learned something too. I'm a relatively new parent, with a daughter who draws lots of attention at daycare sometimes for the wrong reasons. (She's pretty, petite, & Asian.)I loved the special attention she got as a baby but now as she's getting older, I'm seeing the potential issues. So thank you for sharing your experiences - it clarifies things and helps me to help her by being a better mom.

Manic Mommy said...

Yay!! We're having our own drama over here. I completely get the pressure to do what is best for your child. And having two of them in the same space but with individual needs being impacted by the other! Oh, it makes my head explode!

Good, good news!

imbeingheldhostage said...

I think I love her too... and I'll refrain from gushing all over you for telling such a personal, emotional and educational story from your life--- but you know I'm hooked :-)
Hooray!!

Annje said...

1)I am so glad you found someone who understood your concerns. That must be a relief. I am not sure how recent this conversation took place, but I hope her understanding translates into actual practice as well.

2) I have to respectfully, but totally disagree with Gayle about racism only existing because some won't let it die. (First, it kind of sounds like blaming the victim.) This is something I have been reading about lately (Silent Racism" Racism Without Racists" etc.) Racism in our country is systemic and insitutionalized. We have a system that has always privileged whites. "Racist" is not a dichotomy of either a blatant hateful racist or not racist at all. There is a whole spectrum. We are raised in a society that is permeated with sterotypes, misinformation, assumptions, etc that are used to justify and preserve white privilege. It is naive to think that one can be totally immune to those influences. Racism has gotten more subtle-- the focus has changed from skin color to more subtle (but equally harmful) linguistic and cultural norms and other ways that we justify the existence of obvious inequalities. But one can't claim to be "color-blind" (which is impossible) then simultaneously comment on someone's color.

Sorry, There is way too much to say, but I know this is not a racial forum, just wanted to add my two cents (clink, clink)

Mom24 said...

Oh my goodness...what a potential for a happy ending. I'm very happy for you.

It's funny, because my youngest exhibits a lot of the behaviors you attribute to Saige. She thrives on the extra attention, craves it. Loves to be the 'special helper' the teacher didn't know she needed. We don't have some of the other more complicating issues you do, obviously, but I still find myself wishing teachers would force her to be 'just one of the kids'. I think it would be much healthier for her.

bernthis said...

Oh God, finally. I do know that feeling when someone gets it. I feel like I"m floating. There really are some good ones out there and I'm damn glad you found one

ms. changes pants while driving said...

WHOOOPEEEEEE!!!!!

PsychMamma said...

Yay for a teacher who "gets it!"

Happy news for everyone.

Tracey - Just Another Mommy Blog said...

My take to Gayle's comment: Everyone pre-judges others based upon physical appearances. It's not fair. It's not right. And most of us, when we notice ourselves doing it, try to make a concentrated effort to NOT pre-judge. But be it race, age, height, physical capabilities, gender, physical attractiveness or any other number of physical differences; human beings make assumptions upon first glance of meeting someone new. It is up to all of us to change our preconceptions, but it's a long, long road until we are all "color-blind." When you look at how far we have come in the US in the past 50 years, 100 years, and 150 years - It's AMAZING. When you look at how far countries that are still segregated or having wars based upon religion or ethnic backgrounds? It's horribly depressing. The WORLD has a long way to go...

Just my 2 cents.

Glad you found a teacher you feel comfortable with. Hope the communication stays open and that this is the right school for them both.

Jennifer H said...

I'm so glad you found a teacher who understands. She sounds wonderful. Such great news!

mam said...

Oh, I LOVE a happy ending!

anymommy said...

Thanks to all of you! It's a relief and I think next year will be a good year. I am more confident and knowledgeable about what we need and I will be quicker to react if something isn't working.

I want to say that I know how many wonderful, intuitive teachers there are out there. I'm actually not (I don't think (gulp)) a particularly difficult or high maintenance parent and I don't think teachers can or should be forced to accommodate every nuance of families' various issues. Neither of these teachers had any run-ins or negative feedback from me (okay SB might think of me as kind of cold).

I use this space to work through many issues that I just don't voice in my day to day life. Mainly because in the heat of these moments, you really don't know what motives to attribute to someone and I don't go through life looking for confrontations.

When someone says Saige is beautiful for instance, I usually smile a little and say "Thank you, I think they are all beautiful." A casual social encounter is, of course, not the time to confront or discuss racial and social biases or adoption issues in America!

I save that joy for you :-)

anymommy said...

@Misty - She is cute as a button, how did you guess? That was the most satisfying thing for me. She did fill in blanks, she understood and she zeroed directly in on the most important aspects of my concerns. Orgasmic indeed.

You would be shocked by my 20-week pregnant caffeine consumption, sadly.

@Kmommy Thank you for sharing that. These are very common behavior patterns for kids that have spent time in institutions or foster care. Trying to change things after a child is six years old is a long hard road (although, I know it can be done when it's necessary, like for dangerous behaviors). I suspect you have chosen your battles and this isn't one that you need to fight - good for you.

@Texanmama I will think about it, especially if I can find a way to phrase it as 'things I noticed' instead of mistakes. She has many, many happy parents and kids at her school and I know that different styles/teachers work wonderfully well for some kids and not as well for others.

@Michelle - I can barely handle teachers - whom I *pay.* Total loss with grandparents ;-) Although, if there were true inequities in treatment from either of our parents, we probably would try to tackle it somehow.

@Gayle I love these conversations as well (far over and above Legos ;-) It can be difficult to get people to speak there feelings and I'm glad you did. I hope you will continue. I like respectful debate and I can get over-excited, so please don't let me piss you off!

You have a lot of experience and I'm sorry if it seemed like I made assumptions about your background or life experiences. I understand your philosophy. I have met/love/have had conversations with others who hold your point of view.

I think there are two different angles. First there is true, horrible racism, like shouting derogatory words at someone who is in a minority group in a given community (whether that is black/white/hispanic/asian whatever), or refusing to sell them a house, etc. It's wrong. I would speak out against it where ever I see it. Turning the other cheek or saying, I won't be a part of the problem by acknowledging or participating is, I strongly feel, implicitly participating.

What we are talking about here - I think - race-sensitivity for lack of a better word or far more subtle societal assumptions and stereotypes based on race, is more complicated. I understand your position and I try to practice it as my world-view, or the way I interact with the world. I try to be color-blind. I try to see only children/people and make no assumptions or judgments, positive or negative, though sometimes, I know, I fail.

But as a parenting philosophy, I have to say I have rejected this way of thinking. Because the world isn't color blind. My daughter is encountering these societal stereotypes and prejudices and weird reactions, positive and negative. My sons are as well because I have, through my actions, made them a part of a transracial family. I feel, for me, as I raise my kids, that ignoring these issues in our lives would only leave them floundering with how to deal with them and wondering "what the hell, can mommy not see that some people treat our family differently?"

I want to equip them to understand the world they live in - in my opinion it is not a color blind world. I want to give them tools to deal with these situations when they make them uncomfortable, without confrontation or anger, just matter of factly. I want them to validate their experiences and intuitions as they grow and let them know that we can talk about these issues as they arise, even if they are just undercurrents or 'feelings' that certain people cause in their hearts/minds.

I do agree 100% that getting upset or showing anger in these situations is not what I want to teach. I like soft-spoken, deflecting, canned phrases the best and I hope that by using them I am empowering my daughter to use them as well.

But, I also will not be teaching them to ignore what they see/experience or that they have to ignore their feelings to avoid being a 'part of the problem.' We will talk, talk, talk about these things because that, in my opinion, is how they begin to fade away.

The teacher is white(ish?), but I have no idea of her own background.

Also, yes, I have seen many, many parallels with raising adopted kids and step kids. Very similar issue in families! It's interesting because I could easily have written these posts w/o ever mentioning race or race-sensitivity. I could have just said I think she treats Saige differently because she is adopted. I thought about doing just that. It's easier, not as divisive and more PC. But, it would not have been completely honest. The fact that people instantly KNOW Saige is adopted is inextricably tied to her race and my race. If she were white/asian/mixed race, no one could be sure. So, I will undoubtedly always struggle a little to separate these two issues.

The reason I included my thoughts about her color here is that I have them. Which means I know one day she will have them. I want to discuss them, I want to understand. I want to figure out which positions I end up defending and sticking by to the end and which positions I soften or let go of based on conversations like this.

So, thanks. I admire and appreciate your willingness to engage in discussion. And, oh yes, they are going to love little cute as a button, squeaky teacher.

@Annje I've already written way more than any one wants to read about my thoughts on this as a parent. In the bigger sense of society and it's racial woes, I agree. Racism is not gone, though we have made amazing strides, and turning a blind eye is perpetuating the status quo.

From the perspective of this discussion, though, i.e. favoring a child, for instance, possibly based on their race/physical characteristics, I can see Gayle's point. It is possible to 'be too sensitive' as a parent and 'look for trouble' so to speak, where none exists.

@Mom24 Interesting. I always love hearing that these are not just 'adopted child' issues.

@Tracey It's true. Completely color blind is probably a completely unattainable goal, individually and as a society. I'm not even sure if it's the right goal?! And, from a historical and legal perspective, I am overwhelmed by how far we've come in the USA.

PletcherFamily said...

Wow - what a great teacher! I was wondering where it would end, and I like the ending to your story! Gives me hope. :)

Jeanne said...

This sounds great! And, at the risk of being a wet blanket, please keep your eyes and ears open to ensure this wonderful lady manages to carry through. Because it's one thing to understand what needs to be done, and another to do it every day.

But I'm sure you will -- you're such a great mom!

Casey said...

I'm reading backwards so bear with me. Wow, she does sound completely understanding. I'm glad you've got someone on your side who gets it. There are some pretty smart people out there hiding behind perky voices. ;)

April said...

I suspect this teacher would've 'gotten it' with or without the conversation. I think the conversation was necessary and good for both your sakes, but the ease of that dialogue says to me that she's in the right calling. congrats :-) and i hope things continue to go well!

Kate Coveny Hood said...

Well - you never know how this conversation would have gone with SB, but you did have a gut feeling about that based on other interaction. So I think you ultimately did what was best for your and your family.

I honestly think that this is great information for anyone with kids in the same school or daycare setting - especially for twins in the same classroom. I will remember this with my twins. I already see a lot of behaviors that point to one getting more attention than the other...

TMCPhoto said...

I could actually feel the relief coming off in waves from my laptop. hind sight is, as they say 20/20. Whether SB would have gotten it or not is not really the point at this time. The damage had already been done and thank all Gods that you were able to see it and put a stop to it, and that the damage was minimal.

You are a Mommy, that I am pleased to say I look up to.

iMommy said...

I think this little series was great. I certainly learned a lot, especially from the comments.

Thanks for posting this, Stacey. You always make me think.

the mama bird diaries said...

How wonderful. I'm so glad for you and your kids.

*Akilah Sakai* said...

Ahem.
I have an award for you over on my blog.

Z said...

I'm so happy to read this ending (for now) to this... I'm glad there is someone there now who understands!

Jill said...

All three posts brought out some major emotion... I can't begin to imagine how how you must have felt sitting there listening to this garbage - and moreover, how it affected you once you left.

I cried reading Part 3 - you're right - she totally does get it. Why is it that teachers don't just listen to parents in the first place. We really do know our children best - despite what they may think!

So glad to read a happy ending here... :)

Sue (spbray) said...

I just got a chance to read this post. I am SOOO glad that you finally found a situation in which you felt/feel so much more at ease. as if you were partners with the teacher instead of advisaries. I could feel your relief through the post!

Kari said...

I finally got to read, and I'm so glad it had a happy ending!

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